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In their ongoing series looking at difficult and perplexing sayings of Jesus, pastors and friends Erica, Sarah, and Steve explore what Jesus (and the rest of the New Testament voice) mean when they talk about forgiving others and being forgiven by God, and also about a strange scene before Jesus' arrest where he tells his disciples to get swords (while then telling them not to use them). So, does God only forgive us when we have forgiven other people? Does God's forgiveness happen within linear time as a reaction to our forgiving of others, or has God "already" forgiven us from before we were born? And if that weren't thorny enough, why does Jesus tell his followers to go get some swords right before he is arrested, and then stop his disciples from using them to defend themselves when the authorities come for him? We've got some thinking to do as we sift through these "hard sayings" of Jesus, so join us for the conversation in this latest episode!