Two Brilliant Ex-Cons with too much talent! Joel Blaeser and Daniel Genis

Hey this should be a fun conversation -- two guys who went to "the big house" and came out with big books, big careers and plenty of important insights.  Daniel Genis and Joel Blaeser spill the beans, pruno, smack and more in this special conversation hosted byu Edgar Award winner Burl Barer. Prison expert Chris Mathews joins us for insights into Washington State Penitentiary